From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Fri Nov 30 06:35:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 14714 invoked by uid 2003); 30 Nov 2001 06:35:56 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 14711 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 06:35:55 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 06:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 26629 invoked by uid 610); 30 Nov 2001 06:34:59 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 26618 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 06:34:55 -0000 Received: from smtp1.nikoma.de (212.122.128.19) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 06:34:55 -0000 Received: from sobolev.does-not-exist.org (d-dialin-610.addcom.de [62.96.161.138]) by smtp1.nikoma.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14904 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:34:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roessler@does-not-exist.org) Received: by sobolev.does-not-exist.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C04E2ED15; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:34:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:34:02 +0100 From: Thomas Roessler To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA). Message-ID: <20011130063402.GC9361@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> Mail-Followup-To: mutt-users@mutt.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DBIVS5p969aUjpLe" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-Face: Oxq^+Q$NuUQ-&J#F14uCyP4}v%$5{ZGnS}PX;zoxOQ%*`#dkJ'qx$w}\Z;m.e*,_K0V8mii$qU(|l Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 2305 Lines: 60 --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've just released the next mutt beta, version 1.3.24i. Some of the more interesting changes against mutt-1.3.23i: - New and improved threading code from Daniel Eisenbud. See also=20 $duplicate_threads, $hide_missing, $thread_received. =20 - ANSI colors in the builtin pager are now controlled by a variable=20 $allow_ansi, and are turned OFF by default. The colorization of=20 attachment markers (and PGP output messages) in the pager is done=20 a bit different, and more difficult to cheat. In particular, it's=20 not possible to consistently trick two instances of mutt which=20 were started at different points of time. =20 - There's a $wrapmargin variable which gives users some control over=20 mutt's wrapping in the pager, and in the text/plain; format=3Dflowed=20 handler. The default value of this variable is 0. - Of course, bug fixes. There's an outstanding mail loss problem with this version: On=20 system where write(2) lies about the success of an operation (for=20 instance, with NFS folders or when quotas are enabled), mutt may not=20 detect such errors when writing to mbox folders, possibly even=20 losing mail. The bug is mutt's, and will be fixed next week (I=20 hope). Since it's present in all mutt versions, there's no point in=20 holding up this release due to the problem. See for details. Mutt 1.3.24i can be found at . Have a nice week-end. --=20 Thomas Roessler http://log.does-not-exist.org/ --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBPAcoWtImKUTOasbBAQIC0wgAvBY9+CuXjiI9bXd5cF+EYwgKJ85VG4ZT Mlw7AEE40QvGfxev6cjIojwCtSw5p4wdXl2cUDqpLQKWkR0JpyRJKnjqJ+sTH55G HiRUvRh8EJmuBfhYMSar/0yVo/u9Zua7LRdxCbtayiRTC6i4U4F22IJyampi/vr4 C3wNA8fJO6LUI3bU0DwFnsoYL6kODauvb6OUejKjDL+STwFQcJ0gtmecDkIL4UVX CcYndes7li52hocJ+1EECkQUQA1ApnTTjx0+F7m7NNW+NO7YHW8ocQ3MIMcvwI+z GlYlppzFQDdUEhop8Azbsdkl/rA2logUiuBz+1XrzIobVTxM8+4bAw== =fmf4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe-- From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Fri Nov 30 23:03:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 21432 invoked by uid 2003); 30 Nov 2001 23:03:04 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 21428 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 23:03:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9339 invoked by uid 610); 30 Nov 2001 23:02:04 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 9316 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from allspice.cs.swarthmore.edu (130.58.68.10) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 23:01:54 -0000 Received: by allspice.cs.swarthmore.edu (Postfix, from userid 653) id 99D203F866; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:01:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:01:53 -0500 From: Daniel Eisenbud To: Mutt Users Subject: Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA). Message-ID: <20011130230153.GA4921@allspice.cs.swarthmore.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Eisenbud , Mutt Users References: <20011130063402.GC9361@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <20011130070045.GA15183@hq.newdream.net> <20011130070756.GK22178@dust.uchicago.edu> <20011130072127.GA16072@hq.newdream.net> <20011130133218.GA16603@greux.loria.fr> <20011130200936.GC24647@allspice.cs.swarthmore.edu> <20011130224607.GE7383@hq.newdream.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011130224607.GE7383@hq.newdream.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1959 Lines: 44 On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:46:07PM -0800, Owner of many system processes wrote: > Daniel Eisenbud wrote: > > $hide_missing only hides the leading message if they can sensibly be > > hidden. > > sorry... one more thing: > > messages that have an asterisk (ie mutt is guessing based on subject > line or whatever) seem to be showing up with a '?' after the asterisk, > even in a thread that's new. > > obviously the '?' makes a bit of sense, (since we dont _know_ if there > were other messages in this thread), but isn't this what the '*' denotes > in the first place? having both is a bit visually distracting.... Here's the deal: the asterisk means that the message was attached by subject. The question mark denotes a missing reference. So if a message has an in-reply-to: header referring to a message not in the mailbox, its arrow will end with ?->. Mutt then, as before, tries to attach the message by subject, which if it does, will result in an arrow like `*?->. Having both tells you that there's a missing parent of the current message, and that there were no more references so the message was attached by subject. If there's no in-reply-to header, the parent might well be in the mailbox, but mutt has no way of knowing, and the arrow just looks like `*>, as it did before. This is not a bug. > anyway i understand now basically what the purpose of the '?'s is... > however i do think it will confuse people switching from earlier > versions. it confused me at least. so maybe at least put a prominant > notice about this in the release notes (i didn't see one) so that people > don't think mutt is broken. Agreed! -Daniel -- Daniel E. Eisenbud eisenbud@cs.swarthmore.edu "We should go forth on the shortest walk perchance, in the spirit of undying adventure, never to return,--prepared to send back our embalmed hearts only as relics to our desolate kingdoms." --Henry David Thoreau, "Walking" From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Fri Dec 07 14:28:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 7153 invoked by uid 2003); 7 Dec 2001 14:28:00 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 7112 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 14:27:59 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (qmailr@194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 14:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 26773 invoked by uid 610); 7 Dec 2001 14:27:04 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 26763 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 14:26:58 -0000 Received: from natpost.webmailer.de (HELO post.webmailer.de) (192.67.198.65) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 14:26:58 -0000 Received: from acp1130.ac1.dsh.de (gw.gei-aachen.de [192.54.79.1]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15936 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:26:57 +0100 (MET) Received: (from hde@localhost) by acp1130.ac1.dsh.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) id fB7ETpb03893 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:29:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:29:51 +0100 From: Thorsten Haude To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :) Message-ID: <20011207142951.GY1740@acp1130.ac1.dsh.de> Mail-Followup-To: mutt-users@mutt.org References: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-Warning: Email may contain unsmilyfied humor and/or satire. Keywords: Kanzleramt, Ottawa, Bin Laden, Kinderporno, LSD, Semtex Organization: Ministry of Information, Department of Information Dispersal Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1034 Lines: 26 Hi, your lines are too long. * Steven Schneider [01-12-07 14:53]: >Anyhow, I'm on a couple of mailing lists and am beginning to find >that my inbox is getting quite full. What program is the best to use >for sorting my incoming messages into different folders? I've heard >that Procmail is user-hell, but I know people who swear by it. Is >there a better program to use, or is Procmail "the" software? Procmail is indeed a close relative to Sendmail, it's rc file syntax is bloody. I propose Mail::Audit if you know Perl, Maildrop otherwise. >Also, is there a way to retrieve messages from mbox once mutt moves >them there? It seems that they are concatated into one large text >file. Yes, that's the mbox format. Mutt should have no problems at all with retrieving single messages, just copy or move them in a new Mailbox. There are also lots of tools available for the mbox format, you can extract mails with grepmail or formail. Thorsten -- Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for. From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Fri Dec 07 23:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 16646 invoked by uid 2003); 7 Dec 2001 23:24:20 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 16643 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 23:24:20 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 23:24:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9447 invoked by uid 610); 7 Dec 2001 23:23:26 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 9437 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 23:23:21 -0000 Received: from pc2-hart4-0-cust103.mid.cable.ntl.com (HELO sploo.aagh.net) (213.107.122.103) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 23:23:21 -0000 Received: from freaky by sploo.aagh.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16CUKu-000NKb-00 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:23:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:23:20 +0000 From: Thomas Hurst To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :) Message-ID: <20011207232320.GA89525@sploo.aagh.net> Mail-Followup-To: mutt-users@mutt.org References: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> <20011207220115.GA6249@hq.newdream.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011207220115.GA6249@hq.newdream.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: Not much. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/4.4-STABLE (i386) X-Uptime: 11:15PM up 24 days, 1:17, 4 users, load averages: 2.06, 2.05, 2.01 Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1180 Lines: 29 * Will Yardley (william+mutt@hq.newdream.net) wrote: > Steven Schneider wrote: > > > What program is the best to use for sorting my incoming messages > > into different folders? I've heard that Procmail is user-hell, but > > I know people who swear by it. Is there a better program to use, or > > is Procmail "the" software? I have a nice lists.rc which will filter most mailing list messages automagically if anyone wants it. > well there is definitely other software, but i am quite happy with > procmail. it's true that it's a bit difficult to grasp at first, but > it's not really that bad. I had a quick look at maildrop (http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/) earlier; the config format seemed rather more, um, sane than procmail, although I couldn't find any online docs/examples beyond the simple Tips & Tricks page. Not that I looked hard, I'm pretty happy with procmail atm :) I had a look at Gnus too, mainly because people seem to think it handles things like [crap] in subjects an dupes really well; something I'm interested in being handled well somewhere between fetchmail and mutt. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/ From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sat Dec 08 09:08:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 3505 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 09:08:32 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 3502 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 09:08:32 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 09:08:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3109 invoked by uid 610); 8 Dec 2001 09:07:40 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 3099 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 09:07:36 -0000 Received: from pc2-hart4-0-cust103.mid.cable.ntl.com (HELO sploo.aagh.net) (213.107.122.103) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 09:07:36 -0000 Received: from freaky by sploo.aagh.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16CdSJ-0002qS-00 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:07:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:07:35 +0000 From: Thomas Hurst To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :) Message-ID: <20011208090735.GB10725@sploo.aagh.net> Mail-Followup-To: mutt-users@mutt.org References: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> <20011207220115.GA6249@hq.newdream.net> <20011207232320.GA89525@sploo.aagh.net> <20011208014545.GA7655@harpo.homeip.net> <20011208015111.GA20516@hq.newdream.net> <20011208083220.GA97862@sploo.aagh.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208083220.GA97862@sploo.aagh.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: Not much. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/4.4-STABLE (i386) X-Uptime: 9:04AM up 24 days, 11:06, 3 users, load averages: 2.04, 2.03, 2.01 Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 755 Lines: 18 * Thomas Hurst (tom.hurst@clara.net) wrote: > Unfortunately, short of shooting anyone who ignores Mail-Followup-To, > I don't think there's a workable solution. About the best way I can > think of is on every list delivery, scan Inbox for the message id (and > same/similar content if I'm feeling paranoid) and if it's found, nuke > it. That's rather expensive though :) Actually, a better solution would be to do this filtering before final delivery; have fetchmail deliver to a small agent which queues messages for a minute and then weeds out dupes based on a few simple rules (prefer one with ML-alike headers, for instance), before inserting it's queue into the MDA. Hmm.. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/ From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sat Dec 08 18:32:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 17717 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 18:32:19 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 17714 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:32:19 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:32:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 531 invoked by uid 610); 8 Dec 2001 18:31:09 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 521 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:31:03 -0000 Received: from pc2-hart4-0-cust103.mid.cable.ntl.com (HELO sploo.aagh.net) (213.107.122.103) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:31:03 -0000 Received: from freaky by sploo.aagh.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16CmFb-00079S-00 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:31:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:31:03 +0000 From: Thomas Hurst To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :) Message-ID: <20011208183103.GA27271@sploo.aagh.net> Mail-Followup-To: mutt-users@mutt.org References: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> <20011207220115.GA6249@hq.newdream.net> <20011207232320.GA89525@sploo.aagh.net> <20011208014545.GA7655@harpo.homeip.net> <20011208015111.GA20516@hq.newdream.net> <20011208083220.GA97862@sploo.aagh.net> <20011208083846.GA8885@hq.newdream.net> <20011208085624.GA10725@sploo.aagh.net> <20011208100759.A720@so_much_for_message_ids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208100759.A720@so_much_for_message_ids.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: Not much. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/4.4-STABLE (i386) X-Uptime: 6:22PM up 24 days, 20:24, 6 users, load averages: 2.06, 2.06, 2.05 Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 920 Lines: 29 * Rob 'Feztaa' Park (feztaa@shaw.ca) wrote: > On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 08:56:24AM +0000, Thomas Hurst (dis)graced my > inbox with: > > > My filters look like: > > > > :0: > > * ^X-Mailing-List: <\/[^@]+ > > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > Sorry, it's early and my brain isn't firing on all cylinders yet. What > does this do, exactly? It _looks_ like it steals everything between > the '<' and the '*' in the X-Mailing-List header, and uses that as the > folder to save it to. If so, how reliable is that? -- -% l |wc -l 43 Looks quite good to me :) This ml uses: Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org, so you just match Sender: owner-([^@]+). Repeat for 7 or 8 different headers and you have them covered. sed is just used to avoid exploits embedding /'s in there to get into different directories. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/ From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sat Dec 08 18:37:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 17858 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 18:37:12 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 17855 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:37:12 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:37:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 1633 invoked by uid 610); 8 Dec 2001 18:34:35 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 1623 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:34:30 -0000 Received: from pc2-hart4-0-cust103.mid.cable.ntl.com (HELO sploo.aagh.net) (213.107.122.103) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:34:30 -0000 Received: from freaky by sploo.aagh.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16CmIs-0007A1-00 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:34:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:34:26 +0000 From: Thomas Hurst To: Mutt Users' List Subject: Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :) Message-ID: <20011208183426.GB27271@sploo.aagh.net> Mail-Followup-To: Mutt Users' List References: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> <20011207220115.GA6249@hq.newdream.net> <20011207232320.GA89525@sploo.aagh.net> <20011208121558.E1245@sector13.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208121558.E1245@sector13.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: Not much. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/4.4-STABLE (i386) X-Uptime: 6:32PM up 24 days, 20:34, 6 users, load averages: 2.00, 2.02, 2.01 Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk X-Label: url - procmail config Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 489 Lines: 16 * David T-G (davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org) wrote: > ...and then Thomas Hurst said... > > > I have a nice lists.rc which will filter most mailing list messages > > automagically if anyone wants it. > > Tips and tricks are always appreciated. If you don't post it for the > group, please send me either a copy or a pointer. http://freak.aagh.net/dotfiles.tgz The list specific bit is in .src/procmail/lists.rc -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/ From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sat Dec 08 19:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 19592 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 19:34:47 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 19589 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 19:34:47 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 19:34:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 7031 invoked by uid 610); 8 Dec 2001 19:33:32 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 7021 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 19:33:27 -0000 Received: from zero.sector13.org (199.105.121.241) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 19:33:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 19564 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 19:33:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:33:27 -0500 From: David T-G To: Mutt Users' List Subject: Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :) Message-ID: <20011208143327.F1245@sector13.org> References: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> <20011207220115.GA6249@hq.newdream.net> <20011207232320.GA89525@sploo.aagh.net> <20011208121558.E1245@sector13.org> <20011208183426.GB27271@sploo.aagh.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208183426.GB27271@sploo.aagh.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1373 Lines: 54 --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thoomas -- =2E..and then Thomas Hurst said... %=20 % * David T-G (davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org) wrote: %=20 % > ...and then Thomas Hurst said... % > % > > I have a nice lists.rc which will filter most mailing list messages % > > automagically if anyone wants it. % > % > Tips and tricks are always appreciated. If you don't post it for the % > group, please send me either a copy or a pointer. %=20 % http://freak.aagh.net/dotfiles.tgz %=20 % The list specific bit is in .src/procmail/lists.rc Thanks! I'll check it out soon. %=20 % --=20 % Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/ :-D --=20 David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) davidtg@justpickone.org * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) davidtgwork@justpickone.org http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8EmsHUScpmrZtnuoRAlSyAKDYIewVFihzDvxM9Rb5JlvHSMMQ6wCeJKmO cgVYzl2N7hA03dsktCC+pT0= =9jDo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq-- From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sun Dec 09 01:23:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 29767 invoked by uid 2003); 9 Dec 2001 01:23:59 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 29764 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 01:23:58 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 01:23:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 12411 invoked by uid 610); 9 Dec 2001 01:22:54 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 12401 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from smtp01.vsnl.net (203.197.12.7) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.197.130.178]) by smtp01.vsnl.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GO1YHU03.4L0 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 06:52:42 +0530 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3A5DBCCA8; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:06:16 +0530 (IST) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:06:16 +0530 From: Prahlad Vaidyanathan To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :) Message-ID: <20011208083616.GA923@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: mutt-users@mutt.org References: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011207065313.A10046@mail.jetnet.ab.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-Location: Chennai, TN X-GPG-Fingerprint: 6537 4A5F E875 71AD 10B3 9D87 20A8 6339 2125 BB86 X-GPG-Key-ID: 0x2125BB86 Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk X-Label: contrib procmail config Status: RO Content-Length: 1213 Lines: 42 --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 Steven spewed into the ether: [-- snip --] > Anyhow, I'm on a couple of mailing lists and am beginning to find that > my inbox is getting quite full. What program is the best to use for > sorting my incoming messages into different folders? I've heard that > Procmail is user-hell, but I know people who swear by it. Is there a > better program to use, or is Procmail "the" software? You might also want to take a look at the following : http://www.ghettohack.net/~timball http://www.symonds.net/~prahladv/files/procmailrc pv. --=20 Prahlad Vaidyanathan What, me worry ? http://www.symonds.net/~prahladv/ Don't Panic ! -- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8EdEAIKhjOSElu4YRAmkGAKCgdD7mDvHiaoezxpMNYpqSGrDG9wCguQne 4/AQRADemrmnPT8cJythEXI= =dk3Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT-- From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sat Dec 08 17:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 15639 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 17:16:47 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 15636 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 17:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 25432 invoked by uid 610); 8 Dec 2001 17:15:42 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 25419 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 17:15:36 -0000 Received: from pd9e972e4.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO pc5.abc) (217.233.114.228) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 17:15:36 -0000 Received: (from nicolas@localhost) by pc5.abc (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB8HFZI17021 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:15:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from list@rachinsky.de) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:15:35 +0100 From: Nicolas Rachinsky To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: scripting/batchmode Message-ID: <20011208171535.GC16860@pc5.abc> Mail-Followup-To: mutt-users@mutt.org References: <20011206221213.GC2757@pc5.abc> <20011206225633.GA11276@raggedclown.net> <20011207094626.GA20742@montgomery.UK.Sun.COM> <20011207110722.D32444@ddf.net> <20011207115457.GA31193@raggedclown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011207115457.GA31193@raggedclown.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-Powered-by: FreeBSD X-Homepage: http://www.rachinsky.de X-PGP-Keyid: C11ABC0E X-PGP-Fingerprint: 19DB 8392 8FE0 814A 7362 EEBD A53B 526A C11A BC0E X-PGP-Key: http://www.rachinsky.de/nicolas/nicolas_rachinsky.asc Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2339 Lines: 57 On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 12:54:57PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:07:22AM +0000, Mark Sheppard wrote: > > On 2001-12-07 (Friday) at 09:46:26 +0000, Paul Roberts wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 11:56:33PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: > > > > Cron will mail the standard output and error to you by default. > > > > Try appending the following to the end of the cron command: > > > > > > > > 2>&1 >/dev/null > > > > > > If i'm not mistaken, this will result in no output. Append this on the > > > end instead to still be mailed errors (if any): > > > > > > 1>/dev/null > > > > > > (in fact, the 1 is not even required, its the detfault). File > > > descriptor 2 is stderr, which is where errors should be dumped. > > > > Actually both will work although yours is probably the better one to > > use (shorter and less confusing). > > Less confusing to who ? > Only to those who do not care to understand how share redirection > works. Actually it is more confusing. Unless you regard obscurity > as being better. > > >In Cliff's answer stderr gets > > redirected to where stdout was going (which is superfluous in this > > context), then stdout gets redirected to /dev/null. To redirect both > > stdout and stderr to /dev/null you'd have to reverse the order: > > > > >/dev/null 2>&1 > Whooaa. That is not what he was asking. > He was asking how to get errors without getting "normal" output. > Stderr will be duplicated to stdout, which is where piped output > will go to. Next stdout is redirected to /dev/null, effectively > closed. This means errors will still go down a pipe, normal output > will go to the bit-bucket. > Now in "cron" it may be that this is sorted out for you. > But as I said there are many versions of cron. > > Not only that but mine allows you to pipe to anything you care > to. > > Mine will work whatever, and can be verified outside of > cron. It seems mutt outputs nothing to stderr but everything to stdout :-/ What makes the output a bit less messier is to call: env TERM=dumb mutt ... But I think I should try to use another tool, to achieve what I want, does anybody know a perl module to extract some data from Mails and to move mails from Maildirs to mboxes? (Any other tool to achieve this would be welcome, too) Nicolas From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sat Dec 08 20:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 20918 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 20:17:54 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 20915 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 20:17:54 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 20:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 12411 invoked by uid 610); 8 Dec 2001 20:16:54 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 12395 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 20:16:49 -0000 Received: from zero.sector13.org (199.105.121.241) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 20:16:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 20881 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 20:16:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:16:49 -0500 From: David T-G To: Mutt Users' List Subject: Re: scripting/batchmode Message-ID: <20011208151649.G1245@sector13.org> References: <20011206221213.GC2757@pc5.abc> <20011206225633.GA11276@raggedclown.net> <20011207094626.GA20742@montgomery.UK.Sun.COM> <20011207110722.D32444@ddf.net> <20011207115457.GA31193@raggedclown.net> <20011208171535.GC16860@pc5.abc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L+ofChggJdETEG3Y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208171535.GC16860@pc5.abc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1753 Lines: 64 --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nicolas -- =2E..and then Nicolas Rachinsky said... %=20 =2E.. Let's just get rid of all of this other cron stuff :-) % It seems mutt outputs nothing to stderr but everything to stdout :-/ %=20 % What makes the output a bit less messier is to call: % env TERM=3Ddumb mutt ... That's not a bad idea. I wonder if one can set a TERM to nothing or some such so that there's *no* definition... %=20 % But I think I should try to use another tool, to achieve what I % want, does anybody know a perl module to extract some data from % Mails and to move mails from Maildirs to mboxes? (Any other tool % to achieve this would be welcome, too) I know of mbox2maildir, and there might be something similar; check the qmail.org or cr.yp.to pages for such utilities. What sort of data do you need to extract and how do you limit what messages you want? If it's just based on date, that's pretty easy... It shouldn't be too tough to do it by thread, either, with a perl script or such. %=20 % Nicolas :-D --=20 David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) davidtg@justpickone.org * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) davidtgwork@justpickone.org http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8EnUxUScpmrZtnuoRAqQeAKClDtCXyqUX8aPX6nIkaaGkPHjHXQCggUgr TUAWf/UHeSGcMDT1w3q12mI= =+lnd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y-- From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sat Dec 08 21:58:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 23549 invoked by uid 2003); 8 Dec 2001 21:58:39 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 23546 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 21:58:39 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 21:58:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 19597 invoked by uid 610); 8 Dec 2001 21:57:40 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 19587 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 21:57:35 -0000 Received: from pd9e972e4.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO pc5.abc) (217.233.114.228) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 21:57:35 -0000 Received: (from nicolas@localhost) by pc5.abc (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB8LvYS40081 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:57:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from list@rachinsky.de) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:57:33 +0100 From: Nicolas Rachinsky To: "Mutt Users' List" Subject: Re: scripting/batchmode Message-ID: <20011208215733.GC36999@pc5.abc> Mail-Followup-To: Mutt Users' List References: <20011206221213.GC2757@pc5.abc> <20011206225633.GA11276@raggedclown.net> <20011207094626.GA20742@montgomery.UK.Sun.COM> <20011207110722.D32444@ddf.net> <20011207115457.GA31193@raggedclown.net> <20011208171535.GC16860@pc5.abc> <20011208151649.G1245@sector13.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208151649.G1245@sector13.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-Powered-by: FreeBSD X-Homepage: http://www.rachinsky.de X-PGP-Keyid: C11ABC0E X-PGP-Fingerprint: 19DB 8392 8FE0 814A 7362 EEBD A53B 526A C11A BC0E X-PGP-Key: http://www.rachinsky.de/nicolas/nicolas_rachinsky.asc Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1566 Lines: 45 On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 03:16:49PM -0500, David T-G wrote: > Nicolas -- > > ...and then Nicolas Rachinsky said... > % > ... > Let's just get rid of all of this other cron stuff :-) > > > % It seems mutt outputs nothing to stderr but everything to stdout :-/ > % > % What makes the output a bit less messier is to call: > % env TERM=dumb mutt ... > > That's not a bad idea. I wonder if one can set a TERM to nothing or some > such so that there's *no* definition... Same effect here with TERM= > > % > % But I think I should try to use another tool, to achieve what I > % want, does anybody know a perl module to extract some data from > % Mails and to move mails from Maildirs to mboxes? (Any other tool > % to achieve this would be welcome, too) > > I know of mbox2maildir, and there might be something similar; check the > qmail.org or cr.yp.to pages for such utilities. > > What sort of data do you need to extract and how do you limit what > messages you want? If it's just based on date, that's pretty easy... It > shouldn't be too tough to do it by thread, either, with a perl script or > such. I was a bit incorrect in this paragraph, I want to move all old messages from one _mbox_ to another (compressed) one. Threads are not neccesary, because it's third level storage (I'm not going to look there often). Do you know any tools working on mboxes directly? Locking would be no problem, because there is no delivery to this folders, and I won't try to read these mails during the moving. Thanks Nicolas From mutt-users-owner-davidtg-muttusers=justpickone.org@mutt.org Sun Dec 09 11:27:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: davidtg@sector13.org Received: (qmail 13650 invoked by uid 2003); 9 Dec 2001 11:27:58 -0000 Delivered-To: davidtg-pickorg-davidtg-muttusers@justpickone.org Received: (qmail 13647 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 11:27:58 -0000 Received: from ns.gbnet.net (194.70.126.10) by zero.sector13.org with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 11:27:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 3658 invoked by uid 610); 9 Dec 2001 11:27:02 -0000 Delivered-To: mutt-users@ns.gbnet.net Received: (qmail 3644 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 11:26:56 -0000 Received: from zero.sector13.org (199.105.121.241) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 11:26:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 13623 invoked by uid 2003); 9 Dec 2001 11:26:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 06:26:56 -0500 From: David T-G To: Mutt Users' List Subject: Re: scripting/batchmode Message-ID: <20011209062656.I1245@sector13.org> References: <20011206221213.GC2757@pc5.abc> <20011206225633.GA11276@raggedclown.net> <20011207094626.GA20742@montgomery.UK.Sun.COM> <20011207110722.D32444@ddf.net> <20011207115457.GA31193@raggedclown.net> <20011208171535.GC16860@pc5.abc> <20011208151649.G1245@sector13.org> <20011208215733.GC36999@pc5.abc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208215733.GC36999@pc5.abc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 3076 Lines: 102 --3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nicolas -- =2E..and then Nicolas Rachinsky said... %=20 % On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 03:16:49PM -0500, David T-G wrote: % >=20 % > ...and then Nicolas Rachinsky said... % >=20 =2E.. % > % What makes the output a bit less messier is to call: % > % env TERM=3Ddumb mutt ... % >=20 % > That's not a bad idea. I wonder if one can set a TERM to nothing or so= me % > such so that there's *no* definition... %=20 % Same effect here with TERM=3D Hmmm... I meant a termcap definition for something even dumber than dumb, in theory. No matter; using mutt to move is like using a sledgehammer. %=20 % > % Mails and to move mails from Maildirs to mboxes? (Any other tool % > % to achieve this would be welcome, too) % >=20 % > I know of mbox2maildir, and there might be something similar; check the =2E.. % > messages you want? If it's just based on date, that's pretty easy... = It % > shouldn't be too tough to do it by thread, either, with a perl script or % > such. %=20 % I was a bit incorrect in this paragraph, I want to move all old messages % from one _mbox_ to another (compressed) one. Threads are not % neccesary, because it's third level storage (I'm not going to look % there often). Hokey dokey. So you don't have the advantage of using Maildirs and simply checking the file's timestamp. Not threading is convenient, though. %=20 % Do you know any tools working on mboxes directly? Locking would be no Hmmm... Not for moving stuff out; grepmail will do a good job of finding the messages but that doesn't help you empty the big box. Can you guarantee that the items in this mailbox are in a sensible received order, or would it be acceptable for a shouldn't-yet-be-moved message to perhaps be moved anyway? It should be easy enough to read into the file to find the first date later than your move-to-archive window, back up to the empty line before that message's ^From_ line, and break file in two at that point -- writing the first part to your compressed folder and leaving [only] the second part. % problem, because there is no delivery to this folders, and I won't try % to read these mails during the moving. You could even call mutt_dotlock in your cron job to lock and unlock the box as you're working on it :-) %=20 % Thanks % Nicolas=20 HTH & HAND :-D --=20 David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) davidtg@justpickone.org * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) davidtgwork@justpickone.org http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! --3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8E0p/UScpmrZtnuoRAtBUAJ9qU8C7O2scFI8pCD+ZATb1sB8N9ACfS+fn q9OOD1lh2z/TAXTkFQKEWCE= =UPQE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F--